Originally Posted by Phades

Considering SF was aoe and stacked very well with other elementalists and was sustainable it put it above the *theoretical* lightning strike spam in Why Nuking Sucks without including the burning damage or any other attack skills if observed within each 5s window. Which also puts it above the frenzy IAS of axe as well.

Seriously read the thread and try to understand what the recharges are(cast times, aftercast times, etc), the difference between spike and averaged dps, and how exactly why nuking sucks in addition to why other nukes are below SF in overal damage.

Originally Posted by Coloneh

Always bring a rez when doing anything with other players. I ragequit when people other than the monks dont bring a rez. Its very rude, like "my ice spikes is more important than having you alive". other than that most of the advise here is pretty good.

Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Huh? you're using memser skills?

Originally Posted by Ichigo724

[skill]Elemental Flame[/skill][skill]Shatterstone[/skill][skill]Vapor Blade[/skill][skill]Steam[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Water Attunement[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

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You can replace vapor blade by [skill]Freezing Gust[/skill] and res sig with a hard res.


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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

I have read that thread before...and....no...I could rant on about it for a long time...it's just utter crap.

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Perhaps when quoting me you should have also quoted what I quoted. Jesh said "Elementalists that don't use SF do bad damage".

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Define "Bad Damage"...

Originally Posted by Ensign

As mentioned, pound for pound caster damage is weaker than physical damage. It still has value for other reasons - not requiring LoS or melee range, immunity to block/evade/miss, etc - but really isn't worth it in a straight slugfest. Elementalist damage, with the right tools, can approach or even surpass Warrior damage - but Warriors are going to be stocked with knockdowns, interrupts, and other utility skills while that Ele is going to have nothing but DDs and the energy to pay for them. It's hard to compete with a physical when they don't have to devote skill slots or energy to achieve respectable DPS.

Originally Posted by Phades

Debunk his math instead of ranting your opinion. The numbers are right, barring the flare buff. The thing is, you simply cant do that, so you really shouldnt attempt to base your arguement solely on opinion.

Considering rits do better damage than eles, including SF eles for less cost, i really do not understand your arguement other than you are just trying to argue. The only thing you could even attempt to pigeonhole would be sustained AOE, which can have questionable application due to positioning and the target struck.

Less than warrior auto attack when compared in a vaccume for a similar cost.

There is a massive difference in using something for the damage and using something for its effect. Trying to just use eles for their damage is a test of frustration typically, while they shine with their other effects.

Originally Posted by jesh

bungusmaximus, generally a blind bot is a E/Mo support character.

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Yea, now you see, unfortunately most of that is theoretical. What sort of ele only has Lightning Strike on their skillbar? I sure as hell don't cast that...wait a few seconds...cast it again. When I play air I spam air skills as fast as their casting time will allow me.

I decided to have a crack at Battle of Turai's Procession over the weekend. I didn't know what to expect so I went earth and took lots of AoEs. Each time there was a rush of margonites me and the hencies backed off, let them bunch up, then I went in... Dragon's Stomp > Eruption > Sandstorm. The mass of seers and clerics that just stood there were down to about 10% health by the time Devona had managed to run up to them. We're talking 10-20 margonite casters. The numbers coming off were obscene. My warrior couldn't do that sort of damage in that short space of time...hell, Devona only just GOT there before they died.

Ok, so the thread is about water. When I first started playing in Elona I was going through a water phase. I particularly liked the Heket...they were so stupid, and like Margonite, don't run out of AoEs very readily. Deep Freeze > Maelstrom > Feast of Corruption just owned. Ok, maybe FoC is cheating a bit...but my point still stands. (How many warriors have an all-warrior skillbar anyway? given 95% are wammos who *need* mending...that leaves 5%)

And so we move onto Rits. I've already been involved in a discussion about this and as much as people *claim* rits can do more damage I am yet to see it. I have tried, don't get me wrong. I wanted my Rit to be able to out damage my air ele...but it was not happening. The Rits damage could not out-perform my Air Ele...who did doubly the damage of my Rit, minimum.

In short, I still class my Ele as the "Damage Dealer" and, tests and theoretical figures are all well and good, but I am YET to see an instance when most other classes have out-damaged my Ele.

Originally Posted by Ensign

I didn't actually use AoE damage that much in that article, because it is rather tricky to get DPS numbers off of things that scale so much with how much things bunch up.

At the time of that writing, however, the AoE options available were abysmal, so I don't think it was a big deal. Searing Flames and Sandstorm were the first AoE options that were all that attractive...Searing Flames is still attractive in large packs, but I don't think I'll be using Sandstorm again.

Peace,
-CxE